Presidential candidates traditionally slide towards the center of the political spectrum after they secure the nominations of their parties. Senator John McCain is no exception--he has admitted to adjusting his views on a couple of issues. But Senator Barack Obama is notable not only in that he refuses to admit that he is moving to the center to make himself more electable (he was named the most liberal senator by the non-partisan National Journal); Obama's shift is astounding in the ever-increasing number of his policies that have been, shall we say, adjusted. Numbers 1 through 18 are in no particular order; these were in the original blog post. Numbers 19 to the end are in chronological order.
1) was against 1990s welfare reform, now for it
2) was for Washington, DC gun ban, now against it
3) was against death penalty for any reason, now favors it for child rapists and Osama Bin Laden
4) was against NAFTA, now for it
5) was against Cuban embargo, now for it
6) promised to accept campaign spending limits/matching funds if McCain did, now refuses to participate even though McCain does
7) was "strongly" against FISA, then voted for it
8) was against homosexual marriage, now supports it (a rare leftward move)
9) was against personally displaying patriotism via flag lapel pins, now wears one
10) was against Jerusalem being the undivided capital of Israel, now for it
11) was for chatting unconditionally with Iran's President AckMyDumbJihad, now for conditions
12) had promised never to "disown" Reverend Wright, now Wright is disowned
13) for 20 years was for family's membership in hateful so-called "Trinity Church", now against it
14) was for mental health exceptions for allowing partial-birth abortions, now against them
15) voted against laws protecting abortion survivors, now for such laws
16) claimed to be for several town hall-style debates with Senator McCain before the conventions, but his campaign later said only one, and only at a time no one would watch (Independence Day)
17) promised to never use negative ads, yet started using them against McCain before McCain went negative
18) was against President Bush's faith-based initiatives, now for them
19) had demanded that Bush boycott Olympic opening ceremonies, then he financially supported the ceremonies by buying advertising time during them
20) was for pulling troops out of Iraq per timetable, with little or no regard to conditions, now "entirely conditions-based"
21) two years ago, promised to bring assistance to impoverished African school where 10 of his relatives attend, but nothing yet
22) said in June that "my party" wouldn't take money from lobbyists, but as of late July his campaign as well as his party have accepted tens of thousands of dollars from individual registered lobbyists
23) was against all offshore drilling, now for it as long as it’s “carefully circumscribed”
24) as of 7/7, was against using oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to bring about a "decrease in gas prices", now for it
25) was for punishing Michigan and Florida delegates by not seating them at the Dem convention, now he wants them seated
26) said in June that "my party" wouldn't take money from PACs, but as of mid-August he's accepting large donations from PACs and unions
27) said before PA primary, no "bagmen"*, but will have them for general election
28) was against 527s (PACs, special-interest groups, and non-affiliated political allies) advertising in his behalf, but now he's allowing it
29) was for raising taxes on many individuals and corporations, but now that the economy is better, he says those tax increases will have to wait until the economy is much better
30) called for bipartisan commission on Wall Street oversight in April, but after McCain recently agreed, Obama rejected the idea as a political dodge ("We'll get back to ya")
31) said every candidate should reveal complete earmark history when it was him vs. Hillary, but now that earmark king Biden is his partner, secrecy is OK
32) 2/11/07: "We... have seen over 3,000 lives of the bravest young Americans wasted." 9/26/08: "No US soldier ever dies in vain."
33) In January, told the San Fran Chronicle he would "bankrupt" the coal industry, but after he won the Dem nomination he came out in favor of coal
The "flip-flops" are coming fast and furious lately, so check back here once in a while as I update the list.
*providing cash to local get-out-the-vote workers who have no accountability and who traditionally pay people to vote
Saturday, July 12, 2008
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Yikes so many inaccuracies and falsehoods in this screed, I'll just knock off a few of the more onerous ones...
1. Obama may have been tagged by political operative ideologues as "most liberal", but if you've read his books and examined his record, it's clear he's far from the "liberal" mold, sharing some liberal viewpoints, but being decidedly more pragmatic and reason based…
2. He's not changed his tune on Iraq withdrawl - while he opposed the illegal, immoral invasion (see legendary prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's book on why President Bush should be prosecuted for murder), he's always advocated a gradual withdrawl…
3.Calling his ex-church "hateful" is a hateful remark by you -- devoid of substance -- while you may not agree with Reverend Wright political sentiments, his sermons (if you view/listen to the entire sermon) are completely biblically based, though they do run counter to the dominant "empire" culture that people so brazenly accept, so-called "Christians for Caesar"…
4. Town hall debates offered by McCain is based on his own weakness and desire to control the context -- see recent outrageous 1st amendment violation where he kicked out somebody in public square waiting to get to his town hall in Denver when all they had was a sign showing "McCain = Bush". And why he is so ashamed of his party's present leader?
5. He's opposed to gun control.
6. The Faith Initiative point is another phony one - he wants to return it to the way it was BEFORE Bush polticized it.
One I give you, is the FISA capitulation, an evisceration of the Constitution and a sanctioning of an out-of-control executive branch that acts (and is getting away with it) as if they're above the "rule of law"...
In the meantime, the presidential alternative, McCain is:
* joking about killing innocent civilians
* called Social Security a "disgrace" for the very PREMISE THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED
* unlike Obama, whose campaign is predominately funded from grass roots (though not immune to such influence, certainly), McCain is surrounded by lobbyists including Phil Gramm, whose acts led to such things as Enron and the current Prime Mortgage crisis…
* a hateful man, who called his wife (in public, according to several witnesses) an obscene word that rhymes with "punt"
* has serious ethical and honesty lapses...
* wishes to conduct the same policies of his predecessor that has led to economic malaise for all those except the top 5-15% of Americans.
Now let me knock back against your critisisms of McCain (who im not a huge fan of but he is better than the alternative
1. Tell me where he joked about killing innocent civilians, and FYI even if he did, civilians die in war, all the time, sometimes intentionaly, and sometimes that sort of thing needs to be done.
2. Social Security is a disgrace for the very premise it was established, its a government sponsored Ponzi scheme.
3. Lobbyists know campaigning well, plus you cant say that Obama doesnt have some pretty nasty associates such as Tony Rezko,Slumlord, William Ayers and Geraldine Dorn, Terrorists, and his Pastor who despite disowning him which was a pure pandering move, he still attended his church for 20 years.
P.S. Phil Gramm has a Ph.D in economics so ill trust him more than you on economic issues
4. I highly doubt that bit of nonsense and even if he did we've all had our moments of anger
5. Incredibly vague
6. That isnt supported by the data at all but i dont want to get into a debate with some random person kind of a cop out and you can nail me on that but i just dont want to waste my time
@gilroy, thanks for the feedback, some counterpoints...
1. mccain was captured on video (just google for it) recently joking about "that's one way to kill them" when a questioner queried him about cigarettes being one of top Iran imports. He added "I'm joking", but I thought his beef was against Iran leadership, not citizens. Joking about killing the innocent marks one as unfit for president IMV.
2. your assertion in agreement w/mccain (that social security is a disgrace on its basic premise) flys against empirical evidence of history - AND ALSO REPUBLICANS AND CONSERVATIVES UNTIL THE REAGAN ERA… …and not coincidentally, that period (1930s - 1980) saw the largest expansion of the middle class and rise in wages/salaries for everybody. income inequality flattened and u.s. rode that to global economic leadership.
3. i will grant you the rezko association, but the basic source of obama's contributors is much wider and smaller in amount than mccain's.
4. it's not nonsense, it's in a published book, a record of an event (that happened in the 90s) witnessed in public by several journalists... ...besides, mccain has been caught flat out lying in other instances - for one, he lied about voting for GWB in 2000 or he contradicted his statement to multiple individuals. he's lied to me in a letter he sent..., etc....
5. about being bush III, (a) he's on public record as supporting all the stuff bush does, an oddity, given bush's extremely low popularity and the public's weariness over an illegal, immoral invasion and (b) empirical evidence suggests the contrary -- while numbers can be shuffled to support any viewpoint, if one excludes the excessive gains of the top of the economic pyramid (top 5-10%), average wages and salaries have declined and it takes 2-earner household where it used to be only 1 breadwinner in family needed. And it's been demonstrated, that economic barometer is on average, better for 'D' administrations than 'R' administrations - look it up, and challenge the numbers (numbers of which recently, according to Republican Kevin Phillips, are not indicative of how bad things are)...
Yikes! So many inaccuracies in your screed, naum! I'll just knock off a few of the more onerous ones...
1.The National Journal is no "political operative ideologue"! In fact, Richard Cohen contributed to the research.
2.Plenty of folks on the left disagree with you, saying that Obama has changed his Iraq policy to reflect the stability that the surge has brought.
3.Anyone who would cheer at the unbiblical, hateful things Wright, Pfleger, etc., said is hateful. And they cheered.
4.It's obvious to everyone but you that McCain is eager to debate & BO is running.
5. BO has supported gun control until this foray into national politics.
etc etc
Re McCain, he's far from perfect, but he's far from the disaster BO would be. Continue the "economic malaise"? There is no recession, & the problems we have are in large part because of massive gov't overspending, which McCain is famous for opposing. Another cause of supposed "malaise" is energy costs. The Dems block every effort to supply our owl petrol needs, & they block relatively clean, very safe nuclear power.
U.S. before and after Bush
http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2775
gay marriage - claimed to be against gay marriage, using the familiar line about believing marriage is between a man and a woman, but backed the California Supreme Court decision overturning the statutory gay marraige ban, and called Proposition 8 "discriminatory and divisive" in a letter to gay activists.
(answering your query at HotAir)
Bush v. Clinton
An Economic Performance Index
http://www.ppionline.org/ndol/print.cfm?contentid=252964
When Bush took office oil was $31/barrel. Now it is roughly $125/barrel. (That’s what happens when you put oil men in the White House.)
When Bush took office it took 93 cents to buy a Euro. Now it takes $1.56 to buy a Euro.
When Bush took office gold was around $250 an ounce. Now it is $915 an ounce.
I could go on, but you get the idea. The US economy did MUCH better under the fiscally-responsible “high tax” policies of Clinton than under the irresponsible “borrow and squander” policies of Bush.
Naum, I don't disagree that Bush was a spendaholic. But if you dig beyond your Democrat talking points, you'll find that most of the price increase for oil came after the Dems took over Congress. And it's $115, not $125. It will be a lot lower as soon as we get a Congress that will allow "oil men" to drill HERE rather than importing 2/3 from hostile regimes. And we need Congressional protection for "oil men" from lawsuits from environmental wackos so they can build a bunch more refineries to replace the aging overburdened ones we've got.
And Naum, click "older posts" at the bottom of each post page until you see "Public Perception is Wrong About the 90s". You'll learn how little credit can rightfully go to the impeached, disgraced, corrupt Clinton for anything good that happened during his watch. If you want to learn.
Great list. Naum is sure trying hard to nuance the rhetoric just like all the good libs.
Naum, you're way off, fella. Let me help you out:
Yikes so many inaccuracies and falsehoods in this screed, I'll just knock off a few of the more onerous ones...
1. Obama may have been tagged by political operative ideologues as "most liberal", but if you've read his books and examined his record, it's clear he's far from the "liberal" mold, sharing some liberal viewpoints, but being decidedly more pragmatic and reason based…
Buddies with a terrorist, against the war, pro-abortion, anti-gun rights, friend and neighbor of a terrorist = liberal.
You liberals hate being labeled. Deal with it.
2. He's not changed his tune on Iraq withdrawl - while he opposed the illegal, immoral invasion (see legendary prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi's book on why President Bush should be prosecuted for murder), he's always advocated a gradual withdrawl…
Bugliosi has admitted to ties with the mob, like we need to listen to a mobster about prosecuting someone for murder..... LOL
If you think that the Iraq war is illegal you must not be an American, because the war is 100% legal by American laws. So, if you determine that this war is illegal, you are stating your blatant disregard for American laws. Get out of my country.
3.Calling his ex-church "hateful" is a hateful remark by you -- devoid of substance -- while you may not agree with Reverend Wright political sentiments, his sermons (if you view/listen to the entire sermon) are completely biblically based, though they do run counter to the dominant "empire" culture that people so brazenly accept, so-called "Christians for Caesar"…
Calling for God to damn a country isn't Christian behavior, it's Black Liberation Theology behavior. Jesus sought to teach us forgiveness, humility, kindness, joy, love, patience, and peace. Not asking God to damn a country. Black Liberation Theology takes the Bible very highly out of context.
Obama's ex(I use that term lightly, he'll be back after the election to learn Jeremiah Wright's hatemongering to apply to his election loss) church is hateful. Nobody cares if you think that it isn't hateful because you support him. Hateful is hateful, no matter what your OPINION is.
4. Town hall debates offered by McCain is based on his own weakness and desire to control the context -- see recent outrageous 1st amendment violation where he kicked out somebody in public square waiting to get to his town hall in Denver when all they had was a sign showing "McCain = Bush". And why he is so ashamed of his party's present leader?
If McCain chooses not to allow comments that aren't true in HIS campaign areas (some are closed, genius, Your Messiah does it too), that has nothing to do with the 1st amendment. During his campaign he represents himself, not the government. The 1st Amendment only protects from GOVERNMENT restriction on speech, idiot. Re-read the constitution.
By your logic, it could be argued your liberal buddies that were protesting the RNC (violently, I might add)
5. He's opposed to gun control.
http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm
Read it, moron. I wonder if SUPPORTING A HANDGUN BAN is opposing gun control.....
Which are you, a moron, or a liar?
In the meantime, the presidential alternative, McCain is:
* joking about killing innocent civilians
Proof?
* called Social Security a "disgrace" for the very PREMISE THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED
Proof? You can't prove this. He called it a disgrace because people that are FORCED to pay money into it now, won't have it when they're of the age to receive it, retard.
* unlike Obama, whose campaign is predominately funded from grass roots (though not immune to such influence, certainly), McCain is surrounded by lobbyists including Phil Gramm, whose acts led to such things as Enron and the current Prime Mortgage crisis…
ROFL. Oh this is cute. How much of an idiot can I make you look like today?
Moveon.org has been making anti-McCain ads since 06, and Pro-obama ads. This isn't direct funding, no. It's doing his campaign job for him.
Same deal for the Sierra club (which funnels money into moveon.org. and is owned by George Soros.) and Progressive Auto Insurance, and Media Matters.
So do they donate? Sure, they donate time, money and ads.
Go wiki "527" and see how many non-profit PACs are liberal. After that, count up all the money that they've all spent. You'll see a great deal more spent on Democrats than Republicans. And this is coming from the left-leaning wikipedia.......
And the mortgage crisis has gotten worse because of Congress and their failures, which is Democrat-heavy right now. Wow, you're an idiot.
* a hateful man, who called his wife (in public, according to several witnesses) an obscene word that rhymes with "punt"
Proof? As I recall that word came out of the mouth of a HUFFINGTON POST (a liberal internet blogsite) contributor during a townhall meeting that the HuffPo blogger snuck into. Good try, moron.
* has serious ethical and honesty lapses...
Like his work on Campaign finance reform during a time period when the Republican party had the bulk of the money, right? Yeah, moron.
* wishes to conduct the same policies of his predecessor that has led to economic malaise for all those except the top 5-15% of Americans.
What Economic Malaise? I'm in that bottom 85-95% and I don't have any problems paying the bills, buying luxury items every now and then, or purchasing necessities.
Hell, even when I was making below the poverty line as a private in the Army (something your candidate knows nothing about), I still wasn't struggling.
Maybe if you liberals would learn financial responsibility instead of blowing all of your money on crack, pot, and hippie music festivals, you wouldn't have a problem paying your bills. Jackass.
By the way Naum, when Bush took office, American embassies and ships were getting bombed by Islamic terrorists about once a year, sometimes more.
One bombing happened under his command. I suppose you'd like to live in terror, I prefer not to.
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